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@ 2006-03-16 08:28:00
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Thursday

This is already a very hard journal entry to write.  It is going to be rough to put this into words or to revisit what has happened.  It would be easy for me to just push it aside as though it never happened, to bury it deep and cover it with the bandaid of apology that I know will come later on today, but if I do that, I might lose any potential lesson that is in it for me.

It is important to know that for at least two years now, my husband has been my best cheerleader.  We had some rough times in the beginning of our marriage when he woke up and realized he'd married a fat woman.  I got some pretty insensitive speeches about what he deserved and how he didn't think he could go the rest of his life and never again be with a fit woman.  At first, I cried a good bit and promised I'd make changes and wallowed in the mellow dramatic, then turned a lot of self-loathing onto myself, which of course, had the opposite effect of what he wanted.  I ate to feel better. 

Somewhere around year 6, I got up the self esteem to say, "You know, I will never stop working on this because I want it too.  It's obvious I'm not having any kind of long term success and that hurts me and hurts you, but I do think it's important that you realize that this might be all there is and as good as it gets.  I was fat when you married me. I am fat now and although I will keep trying to change that, it might not happen." 

Around the time we moved into this house in March of 2004 (we married in November of 1997), he really seemed to have come to terms with the situation.  When I would buy a new piece of exercise equipment or have an epiphany, he would cheer me on and be so proud of me.  He told me absolutely countless times during those two years that while he was proud of me for all of the things I tried in the effort to get fit, he was past feeling cheated, past feeling like it mattered between the two of us if I lost the weight.  As this attitude prevailed, I was able to open up more and more to him.  He was my best friend and I could share my most intimate fears and struggles in this area.  A couple of weeks ago, I even trusted him enough to confess my true weight to him, a number I keep carefully guarded because I tend to look like I weigh less and I don't mind that impression being out there.  He created a safe place for me to fall and it was such an amazing gift.  It empowered me to do more, to be more and to believe in myself and my own worth. 

Last night, all of that changed.  It's funny how it can take years to build up such a rock-solid trust and only about 47 minutes to completely destroy it.  Actually, I would say that it took about 3 minutes to destroy it and maybe 44 for him to piss on the pieces and kick them around a bit.

We watched one of my favorite shows, The Biggest Loser.  I always find it inspirational to watch people lose remarkable amounts of weight seemingly before our very eyes.  I love how positive Trainer Bob is with his people, while still pushing them to do more than they believe they can do.  That Jillian chick makes me uncomfortable, though.  I'd be on the blue team.  Last night's episode involved military wives, Navy and Marine, which is dear to my  heart because I have had two military (Air Force) husbands and was a military wife for a total of about 22 years (18 with Paul and 4 with Eric).  As I watched the show, I found that surprisingly, I was not relating to the people on the teams very well.  For one reason, only one woman had as much weight to lose as I did.  Usually, everyone on the teams are pretty big.  It bothered me that for several women, their husbands were deployed and while that might seem liked a great time to go away for however long they were at The Biggest Loser Ranch, I felt sad for their kids.  Their dad was already gone by duty and now their mom was leaving them by choice. I know firsthand how hard deployments are for military kids and they need the stability of the remaining parent there to give them some sense of normalcy and continuity.  As the show was in its final stages with the weigh-ins, Eric asked, with a kind of sneering tone to his voice, "Is this motivation for you at all?"  I admitted that tonight's show was not particularly, but did not go into details because I didn't want to miss the show.

After the show was over, because I'd been nodding off a bit (9pm is my bedtime and I hadn't slept well the night before because of a rare headache), I told him good night and eased over into my side-lying, sleep-courting position, happy as a little clam and already easing into sleepy bliss.  That was when Eric decided to stage his intervention. 

As a bit of background review, I have missed two days of exercising in the past 3 weeks.  They were Tuesday and Wednesday (yesterday) of this week.  I have been very depressed about the endless snow that has trapped me in this house.  In most places, it is up to my waist.  Eric has to drive our only vehicle that is trustworthy on bad weather roads.  Yesterday was the first day I have been without kids since Friday mid-day when they came home from school (short day that day).  Tuesday, we had no electricity from 4am - 4pm except for a 30 minute break in the middle of the day.  Since it was about 30 degrees outside and we have electric heat, it was pretty chilly.  I did keep a fire going in the wood stove (which involved wading through the waist-thigh high snow, chopping wood in the wood shed and hauling it back through the snow again.

Over the 3 weeks that I have been doing exercise every day, both aerobic and strength-building, I have lost one dress/pants size, going from a 20-22 to an 18-20.  I lost maybe a pound.  On my bustline, my waist, my hips and one thigh, I lost 4 inches.  Then the depression hit and I stopped exercising for 2 days.

One of the things that seemed, years ago, to help Eric better understand the struggles that come from trying to lose weight was to equate it to the enormous smoking monkey (gorilla) he has on his back.  He has wanted to stop smoking for years and years, but can never seem to make it stick for longer than a few days.  Even after he gets past the physical addiction phase, the emotional addiction pulls him back in.  With that comparison, he really seemed to have a lightbulb go off and he *got it*.  I also pointed out that in the instance of food, because I have to feed the family, it's as if he tried to quit smoking while all of the rest of us smoked around him and asked him to light ours.

So last night he went for it.  Without going into all of the details, his basic message was for me to know how disgusted he was with my fat.  He hates the feel of it.  He hates the sight of it.  He saw the one woman on the show who was my size and was appalled to realize that I really do look just like her.  He is a young, upwardly mobile, rising-star of a man and he deserves a woman with the same kind of strength and determination at his side.  He is sick of my years of excuses.  I need to stop comparing my weight loss struggle with his smoking struggles.  He is young and I am old and I have a lot less time to deal with my demons.  He even said (brace yourselves, menopausal darlings), that I only have a good 5 years or so left before "it's over" and I no longer have a chance for change.  You know how it is, ladies.  At 49, life is over. He informed me that he does not want to spend his best years "taking care of" me because of all of my health maladies (I have none that are known and feel pretty good).     

"My way" since February 2 has been to introduce changes a few at a time.  I have integrated good exercise into my life, the past two days notwithstanding.  I have started drinking lots of water.  I have started taking the right nutritional supplements.  I have severely limited the sweets in my diet.  I have virtually eliminated caffeine from my diet.  In the past 6 weeks or so, I have eased these changes in one at a time.  I felt I was working toward a complete launch, having all of my ducks in a row in time for Spring Equinox, the planting. 

My husband, who created this spiritual path with me, actually told me he did not want to hear any of that "planting bullshit."  Oh man.  Goddess is going to smite the hell out of him for that one.  I hope I am not around when it happens because I really don't want to be covered in Eric juice and shrapnel.

As he spoke, I would repeat back to him what he said to me.  He would say, "I am ashamed" in the context of discussing how I look.  I would try and clarify and say, "You are ashamed... of me?  Of how I look?"  He would say, "No, that's not what I said."  I'd say, "Then explain to me what you mean."  Then he would get all flustered and  not be able to tell me.  He told me he only feels "this way" about 5% of the time and that 95% of the time he is OK with "it."  So I repeated back to him.  "So you're fine with this 95% of the time?"  No, he didn't mean that either. It always has bothered him.  Good God.  Then he would get angry with me for twisting his words.  Um, OK.  This is what a conversation held during a Mercury retrograde goes.

There was more, but it's not something I want to revisit publicly.  You probably get the gist.  My weight impacts him in a negative way. His message is that it has to change and it has to change right now.  I pointed out that the people who are on Biggest Loser have a personal trainer, a gym membership, group support and a $50,000 goal.  He offered that if I lost 50 pounds, he would absolutely stop smoking.  (I'd rather have the $50,000)  I told him I did not think it was fair for him to hold for ransom something he should already be doing.  So he shot back, "Oh it would be safe for me because I could still be smoking 20 years from now and you would not have lost the weight."  He suggested that perhaps I might be better motivated if we just didn't have sex until I'd lost a certain amount of weight.

I tried to hear beyond his tone, which the entire conversation was jeering and snotty and derisive.  I tried to hear his truth, that he is worried about me, that my weight impacts him negatively and there are no excuses good enough, that he is scared my health is going to diminish.  There was a time when I would have taken his words and turned them into self-loathing.  This time, I just felt hurt and anger that he would take something that I cherished so much, my trust, the support he gives to me, the safety I felt with him, the feeling that I was complete as I was and be so comfortable destroying it.  I would stand confidently naked in front of this man.   I would let him touch my belly and my hips, running his hands over the softness and believing that he was not repulsed.  I felt lovely in his presence. 

How can I do that now??

Since he has told me how disgusted he is by my rolls of fat, how can I let him see me naked without knowing that he is repulsed and hearing those words over and over in my head?  When will I know that it's enough and that I no longer disgust him by how I look?  Fifty pounds?  One hundred pounds?  My first husband sneered that instead of a car, we could save up and get me a tummy tuck.  This was two months after the birth of our third child when I was dieting down from 130.  When I weight 115 (my thinnest as an adult), he still complained about my fat.  When I look at the photos from back then, I am skeletal. 

How can I ever confide to him again regarding my weight?  So many things I shared with him trustingly were used as weapons last night.  I feel adrift now, not realizing how much I had come to depend on his support and acceptance to feel safe and capable.  I do know it is highly foolish to invest in the behavior of someone else to help achieve your own success, but isn't that what support groups are all about?  He was my support group! 

Another dilemma (and I already know the answer to this one):  Dr Phil says (and I have come to learn this is entirely true) that we teach people how to treat us.  Now, when I succeed, have I shown him that this kind of hurtful, hateful behavior is an appropriate and effective tool?  What message does it send to him?  If he doesn't appreciate some aspect of my life or my personality, that he can berate me and I will change it?

The answer, of course, is that it doesn't matter overall.  This isn't about him.  My success is not about him (and now can be seen as occurring in spite of him, not with his help and support). 

I still need to process this a good bit.  I will get a lot of exercise today because I have to find some way to dig a path in the snow to the kennel and get it working again.  Since that's a couple hundred feet from the house at least, I should be well sore by tonight.

He already called this morning to see how I was doing.  I wasn't by any means ready to feel anything but cold and distant and sore.  I cried after he called, wishing I could find the way to unlock this and not have it feel like such a negative thing between us.  Because Eric has a hard time communicating his concerns without sounding completely hateful, I usually give him enormous leeway.  This time, I am just not ready to do that.  The wound is too personal and intimate to me to just let it go yet.  Hate and grudges and anger do so little to help a relationship, but this is something I need to process a bit more before I can talk to him.  I slept on the couch last night, so I am fairly tired (we desperately need a new couch) and my head is all messed up.  While typing this around getting kids ready for school, I am trying to work it out in my mind and find a way and a place to put it to rest.  My heart hurts.  I feel betrayed.  I feel foolish for believing that he really accepted me for who and what I am and how I look (sucker!).  I know there are many, many words of truth in what he has said and those are what I need to take away from this instead of how he said them (because his delivery has always sucked).  Regardless, immense damage has been done to my confidence where he is concerned and I have lost my best support system.  The words of encouragement I get from the readers of this journal mean the world to me, especially now since it is all I've got.

When I woke up, I had an email waiting for me from a dear woman who follows the journal.  In the context of what she was sharing with me, she said, "Stay POSITIVE and WARM------- Sprint is near!"  I started to cry right then (and really haven't much stopped since) because it was exactly what I needed to hear.


When you are reading this, it is important that you know that:

1)  What Eric has said has in no way thrown me off track or made me any less determined to succeed.  It hit me at a low point and I know it bothered me more because of that.

2)  My husband is not always an asshole. He just really shines at it in rare moments.

3)  I know this is completely not about Eric, it's about me.  That doesn't mean it did not hurt for him to do this.  It does mean that I will likely never, ever again share one iota of information with him about my weight loss journey.   He has punched that ticket.

4)  I know he will ultimately apologize and I will accept it, but the bell has been rung. 

5)  I'm OK, I just have some healing to do.



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[info]cuntress
2006-03-16 05:04 pm UTC (link)
Big hugs!!!

Gods, it's hard to take the high road after a low blow like that. You win at everything. :)

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Thanks
[info]fatasticjournal
2006-03-16 06:17 pm UTC (link)
Right now, I feel more whiney than winny.

I figure it's some inner bullshit he's got going on. As you can imagine, I have sent the Great Goddess Punani to do my bidding and give him a monumental beating.

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[info]cuntress
2006-03-16 06:19 pm UTC (link)
Be careful... you know I always said you could totally kill someone with your Punani.

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Re: Thanks
[info]fatasticjournal
2006-03-16 06:19 pm UTC (link)
word

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(Anonymous)
2006-03-16 05:44 pm UTC (link)
Hugs and sympathy. You are a lot more generous with your hubby than I would be with mine. I'd probably get revenge by making the whole house diet with me...my hubby would come home to dry salad and water every night - no ice cream or beer for him! Hang in there :-)

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[info]fatasticjournal
2006-03-16 06:18 pm UTC (link)
Oh we are so onto that. He'll never seen another brownie, cookie or box of ice cream in this house again.

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*cyberhug*
(Anonymous)
2006-03-16 06:00 pm UTC (link)
My heart hurts for you.

I truly understand how betrayed you feel. My only other comment would be that while Eric may be younger and in better shape, his smoking can and probably will come back and bite him in the ass one day. My mother smoked from 14 to 48. After 18 years of non-smoking she was diagnosed with lung cancer. Also, if I remember correctly, while he may be in better physical shape than you, those "shirtless" photos from last fall did not show a perfectly toned and fit body on his part either. If he deserves a more fit wife, you deserve a more fit, non-smoking, and MATURE husband.

*hug*

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Re: *cyberhug*
[info]fatasticjournal
2006-03-16 06:19 pm UTC (link)
Right now, I'd take a pudgy, out of shape husband who wasn't acting like a complete ass.

I just put together in my mind why I am so intent on digging a path to the dog kennel today. I suspect he might be sleeping out there tonight...

(Thanks for that hug. I'll take all I can get.)

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[info]shesgotaway2
2006-03-16 06:36 pm UTC (link)
I don't know what made me read this column today, as I don't usually read this particular journal of yours, but I am so glad that I did. I just want you to know that I absolutely BELIEVE that you both can and will succeed in completing this journey you have begun to a more healthy and fit body. After all, you already have a most healthy and fit spirit, its just taking a bit more time to align the two than you would have liked! Honestly, I don't know how you maintained your composure during these moments, but I do know that it speaks to the incredible strength of spirit you posses. If you can calmly work your way through this, much in the way you work yourself through all that snow to get the wood you need for a fire, then I believe you will come out of this with the spiritual fire you just might need right now to nourish and warm yourself. May God bless you...

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Thanks
[info]fatasticjournal
2006-03-16 06:55 pm UTC (link)
You are so precious to say that. I really do appreciate it.

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Wow! Been there done that!
(Anonymous)
2006-03-16 06:37 pm UTC (link)
Its sometimes amazing to me how you so easily write my life....I also have a husband who is 9 years younger than I. We have 4 children, two of which are ours...two from my prior marriage to a Air Force dude. The weight conversation always rears its ugly head periodically. I never know how to deal with it except to be Ow! and Hurt! Today I shared with him some of your article including the sex thing. His comment was, "maybe we should try that." My reply was, "what I'm not going to give you sex until your little belly goes away!" Then of course the conversation turns to my fat....Sometimes I am totally jealous of my single friends who seem to live life so easily without a partner. I feel that something most be wrong that I rely on my husband to be so responsible for my happiness! But I truly can not imagine life without him...Like Eric he possesses some of the most wonderful qualities that I love and admire. Some of us who are admirers of your writing and your ability to so easily put into words the things that we are dealing with is incredible! Thank you so much for sharing, it really helps!

As I always tell my kids, Sharing is Caring!,

Catherine

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Re: Wow! Been there done that!
[info]fatasticjournal
2006-03-16 07:03 pm UTC (link)
That is so sweet. Thank you for sharing it.

It is always such a challenge to share your life, every single day, with another person (much less 4-5 of them). I do agree that we are all responsible for our own happiness; however, the ones who are closest to us are always the ones who carry the sharpest swords and know where to best use them.

I felt foolish for opening up to him enough to give him all the tools he would need to bring me to the ground and he took full advantage of the arsenol.

One of the psychobabbles he said was, "I am not making you feel this way. You are making you feel this way. I am not responsible for your happiness." That may be true, but he knows exactly where to hurt me most and definitely availed himself to that. I believe the whole point I am trying to make is that we should not have to guard ourselves from our loved ones purposely crippling us with words.

The damage he did cannot and will not be repaired. I can't let that trust come back and yes, that means that even if he is willing to try and undo the damage, I don't know when and if I could ever trust him again with the weight issue. I do believe he has burned that bridge, which just means I have to do it on my own without support beyond the box on my desk. It was great while it lasted, but it's gone now. I really think that is what I am mourning most today.

Thanks for the kind words.

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Very Eye Opening
(Anonymous)
2006-03-16 07:30 pm UTC (link)
Katrina,

I have been reading your journal for awhile, hoping to get some inspiration from your incredible resolve. When I read your post today, I was sad. Sad for the pain you were feeling, but also sad because the way you describe your husband's communication skills is eeriely similar to how I believe that I sometimes lash out at my husband. Although our conversations are not about weight per se, (they tend to be more about money and his unsteady work ~ freelance production) I know that I have also thrown some not so nice comments his way. I wanted to in fact compliment you on "knowing where it comes from"... It's a very hard thing to hear painful, hurtful things and still feel the love. You are very similar to my husband in that way, he forgives my cruel words and promises that it doesn't change his feelings for me. Hearing your take as the hurt one, gives me pause. I am working hard EVERY day to be a better me, and thus a kinder me. I'm not sure I knew how damaging words can be EVEN when the other person understands where it is coming from. Thank you for opening my eyes and helping me see a little clearer how painful words can be.

Sincerely,
titia24
Kristen

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Re: Very Eye Opening
[info]fatasticjournal
2006-03-16 08:13 pm UTC (link)
More often than not, I have found that Eric lashes out when he is feeling insecure about something himself. For whatever reason, when he's feeling down, he fixes it by shooting me down until he can see me as being worse than he's feeling he is. He had not done this in so long that I was blindsided by it and did not take it as well as I used to.

It's a dance we have done many times and it's terrible. After 2 years or so, I thought we were past this, but evidently, as a dear friend just pointed out to me, sometimes we grasp onto the old, familiar worn ruts when the chips are down.

There's no telling what is setting this off in him and there's no way in hell he would admit that it's anything other than the fact that I'm still fat and he hates that and feel cheated.

Personally, I don't think it's about me or my fat at all. I think that's why he's having such a hard time expressing himself or articulating what he "really means."

So what do I do? I shoveled out the path to the kennel. Called and tried (unsuccessfully) to have an intelligent conversation with him to resolve things. I'm about to clean my house and go to bed and watch TV. When he gets home, I'll grab Delena and go to town and spend to much money, then come home and grab the bed or the couch and sleep it away.

Perhaps things will be different once the world has turned a few more times.

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Re: Very Eye Opening
(Anonymous)
2006-03-16 09:00 pm UTC (link)
I hate being in an argument phase with my husband and I'm so sorry that you're dealing with this pain right now. Sometimes husbands can be the most insensitive of assholes and I'm glad that you shared this because I'm sure you'll get a lot of people saying that they've been through the same conversation with the details being slightly different. One time we were in the heat of battle, hissing at each other and I took a shot below the belt and he called me a horrible name preceeded by the word FAT and I about died inside, I felt like. For years, I'd heard that I was beautiful, had a beautiful body and there wasn't an ounce he'd change. He'd always been supportive of my exercising and encouraged me to lose, but it wasn't in a context other than what I wanted and what would make me happier or healthier. Then that word.. FAT. In one moment, I felt lied to and betrayed. I felt just like you described and the trust felt absent and there was that same question - how will I ever feel lovely again in your presence when I know what you really think, motherfucker? I don't know that there's any words of encouragement or saying, "You'll get over it" because it's there no matter if he swears 600 times over that it was just a heated exchange and he was trying to hit back after being so hurt by me. When I recount this story, I feel kinda stupid for being so sensitive about it because I did in fact, start the bidding... but it's hard to explain. As women, we want to feel beautiful and I think it's pretty sacred, even. Definitely not something to trample on.

For the record, I think you are completely lovely - I always see really pretty clothes in catalogs that are flowy and exotic and I think of you -- Katrina would look fabulous in this, hope to be able to pull it off myself one day. I think of you as beautiful in a way that isn't about a slim, typical body - you have a shining peace & wisdom that radiates from your eyes and smile.

I would cook like shit for the foreseeable future.. definitely.

Love you and stay on track - I wanna see you make him eat his words!

-dayn

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Thursday
[info]bigbaddi
2006-03-16 09:12 pm UTC (link)
First of all, thank you for sharing this story. It seems like a lot of us have had this "battle" before. Remind yourself how strong and determined you have been in your efforts, especially since last fall, you are not going to fail! 2 days without exercise does not make you a failure. As for Eric's comments, he's a man. Men always hit below the belt. They remember tidbits that you have shared and save them for later use. He'll regret it soon. (I'm not a man hater, hell, today is my 33rd wedding anniversary!!) Keep up the great work and keep your faith!

BigBadDi

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[info]fatasticjournal
2006-03-16 09:17 pm UTC (link)
Congratulations!!

Thank you for your kind words. No way is he going to throw me off track. I just want to make it clear to him (which I have stated definitively) that when I succeed, it's because I was already well on the path, not because he invested an hour or so into bullying me.

I have also taken care to write on the fabric of my soul that I will NEVER trust him or confide in him where my weight progress is concerned. I don't have to be taught that lesson again!

Again, thanks for your encouragement!

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ouch
(Anonymous)
2006-03-16 09:42 pm UTC (link)
I'd suggest Marriage Counselling, but I'd say that 99% of men would refuse to go ("I don't want to talk about my feelings."). A 3rd party would really help cut through the blame and the hurt. Maybe your husband has a bit of mid-life crisis going on, and rather than facing that, it's easier to find faults with one's spouse.

I see a situation where you are genuinely trying and all you are getting is threats and deadlines (five years, withholding sex). And I wonder if any weight loss you achieve will be "good enough" in your husband's eyes.

I wish you luck with your marriage and your weight loss.

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Re: ouch
[info]fatasticjournal
2006-03-17 05:59 am UTC (link)
Interestingly enough, I have found that once he gets what he wants, it actually is good enough and he does shut up about it. There are several other areas of my life (house cleaning) where I have made immense improvements and when that finally manifested, he was cool.

Since 99.9% of our relationship is ridiculously perfect, I am not prepared to get involved with counseling yet. This really came out of the blue and I am thinking it had a lot less to do with me being fat (it's not as though that was a sudden revelation or anything) and more to do with something inside him that is misfiring.

We've talked some tonight and things seeem to be dying down. I have definitely taken my lessons from this and will be doing a lot of healing on my own over the next few days. I do know I won't be involving him in any of my weight loss efforts or sharing my thoughts with him about it. He pretty much burned that bridge.

Thanks for writing.

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OW!!!
(Anonymous)
2006-03-16 10:34 pm UTC (link)
Katrina,
I am so sorry you are going through so much pain. You are beautiful, talented and extremely intelligent and it is hard for me to believe you are married to such a selfish, immature, hateful man! He is such a jerk and certainly doesn't deserve someone as wonderful as you.

Please don't let him get you down....ever! You deserve much better!

Good luck with your plan. I know you will succeed.


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Re: OW!!!
[info]fatasticjournal
2006-03-17 06:00 am UTC (link)
Pfft. He couldn't slow me down if he tried. Right now, my focus is on maintaining grace and dignity while he figures out that the way he was acting is not the way to get what he wants (in case he is confused on that issue, I gave him the crib notes quite plainly).

I am sure it will blow over. It's just going to take a little time.

Thank you for your kind words.

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(Anonymous)
2006-03-17 12:10 am UTC (link)
Wow. I can imagine how much his words hurt. My husband at times has said things he'd like to take back later. I can forgive, but I can never forget. Negativity sticks with a person and it can shape them if they let it. I've done this many times. You know me well enough Katrina to know the negative image I have of myself. Self respect and self esteem are very fragile pieces of our identity. The ones we love should remember that and treat them with sensitivity and care. But the truth is, people are merely people and they screw up, say the wrong things, hurt those we love. Love is a strong emotion and because of that, those who really feel it feel they can totally be themselves with that one person whom the love is shared. The problem with that is, sometimes being ourself is hurtful and we don't always see that. Yes, Eric has some issues OF HIS OWN with your weight. He's got to deal with them ON HIS OWN, just as you have to deal with your issues about your weight. What you said and he may not realize, is his lashing out about this has more to do with him and something going on with him than with his feelings for you. I know you feel you'll never be able to talk about your weight with him again and more importantly, you can't be around him without clothes because of what you know he feels. Remember though, he loves you and though he may have felt those things when he said them, he may honestly not feel them all the time. You however, will never forget them, but you should make every effort to show him you are proud of who you are, your efforts to change your body and your faith in yourself. Don't let his words, which I know he probably regrets by now, stop you from being you. There are many, many wonderful things about Katrina and frankly, you could have a perfect shape, be the perfect 10 and you know what, it's not going to last. Neither is his shape or likely his hair. Or the lack of wrinkles on his face. We grow old and we change. And that's where love really comes in. Eric needs to remember that and so do you. Don't let your goals be about him or for him, or even to spite him because ultimately YOU are the reason you want to lose weight and you are the most important person in your life, whether you feel that way or not. He loves you and when you're 80 and he's falling apart and sporting the Dick VanPatten comb-over, you'll still love him. No one looks the way they want. Everyone can stand for some improvement in some aspect of their life. Eric's got his demons and you've got yours. It sounds like he just used you as a verbal punching bag to deal with his own stuff. Remember you're wonderful. No matter if you wear a size 18 or a size 2.
Carolyn

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[info]fatasticjournal
2006-03-17 06:02 am UTC (link)
Awww. Thanks, sweetie.

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What you eat matters
(Anonymous)
2006-03-17 02:52 am UTC (link)
I've been reading your column for a long time, and there's one thing that continues to worry/frustrate me...the lack of healthy food in your diet. Not to be critical, but you frequently mention eating at Olive Garden, Black Angus, McDonalds, and other restaurants of this caliber. I'm certainly not advocating that you become a rabbit and eat salads, but these sorts of restaurants are known for serving items with loads of calories, fat, and cholestorol (the bad kind). Any sort of excercise that you do is probably negated by one meal at these places. Perhaps if you work on eating healthier food both at home (less breading, frying, etc) and out at restaurants, that could help you to drop the weight, and feel healthier. Again, I don't mean to be critical, I'm just finally voicing something that I've been seeing repeatedly throughout your journals.

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Re: What you eat matters
[info]fatasticjournal
2006-03-17 06:09 am UTC (link)
I guess I haven't mentioned this in a while in my journal, but I use the PC version of fitday.com (if you have not seen it, it is definitely worth checking out) to chart my calorie intake and fat to protein to carb ratios.

I never, ever intended to white knuckle this. For me, that is the fastest way to produce failure. Because of this, I knew my results would not be a fast as people who are working from a truly hard-core perspective. As I've said before, I am easing into this, making changes gradually so that they become part of a permanent life-style change rather than a temporary solution to a weight problem.

I also never have intended to give up the foods that I love altogether. Once a week, I allow myself a luxury meal. I eat sparingly that day if I know it's coming up or the next day if I didn't and exercise more. I don't really care if that particular day's exercise efforts all go to support that one meal. It's worth it to me to enjoy that time, savor a wonderful meal and for an hour or so, not be consumed with thoughts of deprivation.

As far as I know, I will always allow myself that one meal a week. It makes the rest of the choices I make through the week much more tolerable. I may not progress as rapid fire as those who are forcing themselves to give up all of the foods they love, but I know that I will be happier and as long as I continue to make steady progress, I see no harm in it.

It's what works for me.

Thank you for your observation, however.

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Love love love
(Anonymous)
2006-03-17 04:34 am UTC (link)
OK, I cannot judge your husband--glass houses stones etc. But can I please tell you that you are loveley no matter what size you are? I have been chubby my whole life--size 10 would have been my thinnest, and that was when I was bulemic. Ok, so I know you feel it every day the judgements and the blame. But, sweetie, you are ok. You are beautiful how you are.
I have always exercised, and tried to watch my intake of calories, but in the past 2 years I have put on 40 lbs because of anti-depressants etc. I once looked at a board entitiled "how can I be happy if my pants don't fit" and it really struck me.
My body is healthy, happy, and atheletic at about size 14-16. I am now at least an 18-20. I am doing the best I can. I know you are too. We mommies have to stick together. I am sending you hugs and support and anything else you need.

I always found it hard when people expected stuff of me. I just keep exercising, trying not to eat/drink too much and try to give myself a break (NOT always successful) I know it sucks. But please, please love yourself if you can.
all the best,
barbara
PS My husban is 10 years older than me, and one of those lanky types. He has been freaking out about his gray chest hair and the fact that he is past 50 and that the size 32 pants he wore at 19 no longer fit him (after 30 years) I tell him (and I mean this) that he is who he is and that I don't give a rat's ass what he thinks he should be. He met me chubby, married me chubby and I honestly think he does not care. Of course if he did I could always hit him with the age thing...
PLEASE give yourself a break. Please?

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Re: Love love love
[info]fatasticjournal
2006-03-17 06:10 am UTC (link)
Oh I am definitely giving myself a break. Giving him a break on this one will take a bit longer though. :)

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(Anonymous)
2006-03-17 07:28 am UTC (link)
I am sad for your heartbreak. It's always hard when those we love take their frustrations out on us. But I once saw a Cathy cartoon that summmed it up well. Cathy asked her mom why we always hurt most the ones we love, and the mom replied something about that they were the only ones we could be truly honest with and be able to trust them to love us anyway. That's the gist of it at least, but it was rather profound for a comic strip, I thought, and have often remembered it at times such as what you are experiencing. I think that all things happen for a reason...there is something to learn from this. And it's not always what seems to be obvious. Chances are that what everyone is saying is true,,,that something is bugging Eric and he got after you because he can't get after himself. It's easier to pick at someone else's faults than to pick on your own. The main thing is that you aren't letting your heartbreak be an excuse to fall back into old ways. It could be the catalyst that you needed to really motivate you. Think back on the past and see. I know I have always been more motivated when I had to prove someone wrong than if I just had to prove something to myself. It's kind of like reverse psychology. It also could be that...and this is weird...that he is threatened by the success you've had so far and really doesn't want you as thin as he knows you could be...or he is threatened by your success, which means that he might just have to really quit smoking because if you succeed, and he fails, he can't have that, but he knows it's hard to quit smoking. I would do as another person suggested and cook diet for the whole family. The South Beach diet--second phase--will prove the most satisfying. Don't go too low carb or your body will think it's starving!! And one reward meal a week is not going to sabotage the whole week's worth of work...especially, if you do like you've been and make some allowances for it. To me, the best way I've found is to go out and eat once a week...just don't do any all-you-can-eat style placesor don't opt for that style of meal if the place you like offers a choice. And go back to your bed. You need good sleep to heal, whether it's physically or emotionally. I don't think he meant it to go as far as it did, and even if he meant to hurt you, I am sure he's sorry but is just having trouble admitting it. He probably spoke without thinking and got himself into a very large plot of quicksand before he realized it. It's never as it appears on the surface, that much is for sure. Just remember...you aren't alone, you have a whole village out here. We care.

Helen

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Its not about ERIC!
(Anonymous)
2006-03-17 03:33 pm UTC (link)
I read this journal and don't even know how to voice how much I am on your side and truly understand where you're coming from. Eric attacks you on your weight and then wants to apologize and "fugghet about it", but it doesn't work that way on the receiving end. You and I weigh about the same (well, I don't know what you weigh, but we wear the same size and from pictures I think we have the same body. My husband met me, married me and has me at this size. I am trying to lose weight too and thats why I read this journal. If you can do it, I can do it...if I can do it, you can do it. Please don't let Eric tear you down like that. Tell him that if he has a problem with your weight, and he married you knowing what you looked/felt like, then this is HIS problem to overcome. You will work on your weight for yourself, but not for him. He needs to know that. I've asked my husband if he wants me to lose weight, go to TOPS (weight loss group, where I am the LEADER of all things), look better, etc. and he says in all honestly "do it for yourself if you're not happy the way you are, but for me you are fine." That is the biggest support of all and I wish Eric would do that for you. If he can't do it for you, then take support from your many, many readers and KNOW that we believe in you wholeheartedly.

If I didn't live in PA and you in CA, then I would make a trip out there and we'd go shopping and find us some hot outfits that make us feel awesome and hit the town and show Eric that other people appreciate what he's got, even if he doesn't. Nothing like a little jealousy to change someone's attitude.

Keep your chin up girl!

Michele (mae1003)

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Eric
(Anonymous)
2006-03-17 03:57 pm UTC (link)
Many years ago, I was married to a good looking, successful man. He was constantly on me about my weight, and said many hurtful things. I was a few pounds overweight when we married, and quickly gained about 15 pounds. After less than two years of marriage, he divorced me for another woman. I was devastated for years, and the weight just piled on. In 2002, I had gastric bypass surgery, and lost almost a hundred pounds. I am now considered at a normal weight. Last year, I married a wonderful man, who never comments on my weight. He was overweight when I met him, but lost about 40 pounds during our courtship, partially due to a medical problem. He has regained some of the weight, and I try very hard not to make him feel bad, because I remember how much my ex-husband's words hurt me. I tell my husband that I fell in love with him when he was at his heaviest, and that I love him regardless of what the scale says.
Having said all that, please know that I am so sorry for the hurt Eric has caused you. You seem like a wonderful person, a great wife and mother. He does not deserve you.

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"Yeah that"
(Anonymous)
2006-03-17 04:56 pm UTC (link)
You ARE a lovely person. Something I've noticed when you write about your husband is that you truly do love him - almost to the point of hero worship. You see the good in him and overlook his flaws. You buck him up when he's down and support him in all he wants to do - like his mining claims, starting his own business, changing jobs, keeping a dog when you'd already committed to keeping two (and I know that you realized in the back of your mind that you would be the one that had to take care of dog #3 if you did not give it away...)

Anyway, I am sure you have your faults, but it is obvious that you adore Eric and do everything you can to make him happy. As a matter of fact, you spoil him.

Something else I've noticed in your various journal entries is that somewhere along the line, Eric has made a point of making sure you know that his "past" girlfriends were all thin and fit. Yet he married you, didn't he? I've often felt that in the back of your mind you are in awe of the fact that this younger man would fall in love with - but he did. He fell in love with you, warts and all, and HE has to accept that and not throw your faults in your face to make himself feel better, and that's his modus operendi.

Many of us have pointed out that the problem is Eric's, not yours, and you need to make sure you DO NOT accept responsibility for his unhappiness in this issue. I hope you accept this truth and hold it to your heart. It truly is his problem to work through. And while I know you will forgive him, don't forgive so easily that you give up a piece of your soul. Somehow he has to realize that if he continues to act this way he will eventually do permanent harm to your marriage - and the truth is I think this time he really has. He has lost your trust, and that is a shame.


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(Anonymous)
2006-03-17 05:05 pm UTC (link)
Katrina,

I have been following your journey for almost 4 years. I wish that you knew you don't need the support of anyone to achieve your goals. Not the people that read your journal or even your husband. You are a strong woman. You have overcome so many obstacles in your life, I do not doubt that you can achieve your weightloss goals if only you BELIEVE in yourself and your ability to do it.

You said this is not about Eric, well I disagree. No matter how scared he might be regarding your health, he had no right to knowingly say hurtful things to you. Most of the comments he made were not about health, they were about your appearance and that is certainly HIS problem. What if you do get to your goal weight and an accient leaves you disfigured or scarred-will he be ashamed of you then? Be careful not to let him inflict hs thinking on your daughter. What he did when you first got married and then with the recent conversation was verbal abuse. Just because he is nice and supportive most of the time does not in anyway give him the right to be verbally abusive EVER. He not only broke your trust in him, he outright lied to you. I beleive in forgiveness, because it does us no good to carry hate in our hearts. However, when we forgive someone and they repeat the wrong-they weren't sorry, they just said words to end the conflict. He should be ashamed with himself and he should take a good look at himself because that is where the problem lies-not in the number on your scale, but in his heart.

You can do this. Do it for yourself. Not for your husband, not for your kids. Do it because it is what you want and if it isn't for you, if it isn't what you want, tell Eric to get over it or kiss your ass.

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A loss for both of you
(Anonymous)
2006-03-17 06:59 pm UTC (link)
I have read your journal for a couple of years. I've never posted a comment before, but I feel compelled to today because your sadness resonated with me so much. I'm not particularly heavy, but I have other body-image and intimacy issues (hell, don't we all!) and I was so struck by your saying you felt lovely in Eric's presence (prior to this incident). I feel sad for both of you, really, because feeling lovely in someone's presence is an amazing gift, but I think being able to make someone else feel lovely and having them so open to you is an amazing gift, too. I imagine that eventually, if it hasn't happened already, your husband will regret losing that as much as you do. You talk about the lesson that is in this experience for you. I admire your grace under enormous pressure and disappointment. I hope your husband learns the lesson that is in this for him, as well. I don't presume to really know either of you, but it would not surprise me if the universe has been trying to teach Eric for quite some time that the way you say things really does matter as much as the intent. Maybe losing his gift for making you feel lovely will drive the point home? Take care of yourself -- you seem like an amazing person from what I know of you via your journals and I wish you the best!

Sarah

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